CD players vs HDD
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RE: CD players vs HDD / 26-10-2014 23:19
(26-10-2014 15:14)Дмитрий Медведев писал(а):  На CDDA с помощью питов/лендов записан АНАЛОГОВЫЙ код, шифрование, ничего общего с цифровым сигналом не имеющий (синусоида модулированная кучей частот). А вот функция СОЗДАНИЯ цифрового сигнала по этому коду возложена на EFM encoder ЦД проигрывателя. И он СОЗДАЕТ цифровой сигнал, а не ИЗВЛЕКАЕТ.
Если бы питы/ленды сразу бы выступали как 0/1 (прямоугольный импульс), то это был бы цифровой сигнал, я бы даже не спорил.
Замечательно!
На винтах, в таком случае, тоже записан АНАЛОГОВЫЙ код-шифрование! :-). Только магнитный, а не оптический. В принципе оба порождены электромагнитным полем. Не рвите шаблон компьютерщикам :-)

Дмитрий, Вы действительно думаете, что внутри СИДИ-приводов гуляет что-то, кроме нулей и единичек?
При чтении ЦД работает EFM decoder, а не EFM encoder, этот для записи.
Знаете, чем он занимается? Цихверьки пережёвывает.
Вот определение этого устройства (процесса) из описания патента на него:

"An EFM/EFM+ encoder and a method thereof, performing digital sum value (DSV) protection in an Eight-to-Fourteen/Eight-to-Fourteen Plus (EFM/EFM+) encoding system to generate a data frame to be recorded on a recording medium. The method comprises modulating source data to the data frame having a predetermined number of channel bits, determining merging bits and DSV based on the channel bits, and changing the predetermined number of the channel bits in the data frame based on the DSV and the merging bits. The changing the predetermined number of the channel bits comprises inserting or removing a channel bit at the end of the data frame"

В самом описании патента слово "аналоговый" встречается только один раз, говоря, что луч лазера, идущий от поверхности диска, вообще-то, таковой по природе, он "ещё не оцифрован":

"If the value of DSV cannot be kept small, the excessively large DSV of the recorded data results in the data slicer, conventionally used to retrieve the binary signal from the analog signal detected on optical discs, being unable to function correctly, and the data readout from the disc is erroneous"

Вот из другого источника то же самое, по русски:
"EFM-декодер выделяет из цифрового потока информационные символы, синхросигналы и служебную информацию. По жесткому алгоритму, заложенному в систему «Компакт-диск», он преобразует информационные 14-разрядные символы в первоначальные 8-разрядные. Данные на выходе EFM-декодера представляются в виде блоков из 32 символов"
ИЗ ЦИФРОВОГО!

И не надо, наверно, уже давно рассматривать просто кусок пластика. На выходе ЦД порождает цифровой набор, который можно подать на ЦАП, а можно направить на винчестер. А потом его же подать на ЦАП. Какая будет разница?

И ещё, Дмитрий. А как представлен звук в ДВД-аудио и в блуреях? Там, вроде, придраться не к чему? "Чистая цифра".
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