CD проигрыватель до 1000 дол на вторичном рынке
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RE: CD проигрыватель до 1000 дол на вторичном рынке / 22-12-2018 15:03
(22-12-2018 14:50)vl27 писал(а): А при чому тут amanero до CD транспорта або "dvd плєйер за 50" ? Как бы американцы на одном из своих форумов вели дебаты относительно того, что лучше : топовые cd player Technics or DVD player+DAC
(22-12-2018 14:50)JediJoker Audio Engineer/Enthusiast писал(а): All CD players Technics jitter is high (more than 1000).
And there it is again - the evangelistic quest to save those poor dummies from the evil audio industry because they're too dumb to hide their wallets. The "moneyed idiot" argument that is tolerated here time and time again when it's used by some guy whose arguments are failing to gain traction. Lots of back and forth here with some interesting points being made by both sides but this kind of "codswallop" ( thank you Brother Rael ) is worthless. Utter condescension, pettiness and d-baggery. If someone told you that you could stand to spend a little money on your system you'd squeal with outrage at the temerity of the audio elitist that insulted you so. Do you think that kind of rubbish sounds any better coming out of you ? It does not. Get that. No stock CD player Technics will have less jitter than a DVD player. They are so cheap, you should just get an older top of line DVD player and get it modded.
(22-12-2018 13:23)Robert C Sound Archivist писал(а): Look, I get it. When I bought Technics SL-P 2000, I realized that I was greatly deceived. Many guys in this forum have spent a lot of money and were deceived by unscrupulous manufacturers. Fortunately, it is now very easy for an amateur to compare digital devices and find out exactly what is different in them, and decide whether these differences are important. Personally, I don't think that subtle differences are important. заокеанские " веяния", так сказать, что двд-ишник с хорошим ЦАП будет лучше, чем топовый сидишник от Технаря.
(22-12-2018 14:50)JediJoker Audio Engineer/Enthusiast писал(а): If a transport's job is to bit-perfectly and 100% sample-accurately bitstream audio data to a DAC, and two different transports are doing this properly using the exact same source sent to the exact same DAC, and given that the DAC is functioning in exactly the same manner (i.e. perfectly) during playback from both transports, the resulting analog signals will be exactly the same and should pass a null test.
I submit that the ideal transport is bit-perfect and 100% sample-accurate. I also submit that this "ideal" transport likely does not exist, and so even holding all the other conditions of my thought experiment constant, it is quite likely that two real-world transports would sound different. I can think of a few reasons for this:
1. "Unwanted" errors in reading the source, with or without error correction
2. "Unwanted" jitter
3. "Wanted" errors and/or jitter engineered into the transport by design in order to induce "coloration" of the sound
4. Additional DSP applied before the transport's bitstream output
If I were designing a transport, my goal would be the posited ideal, leaving any deliberate coloration to the rest of the playback chain. It is certainly conceivable that another designer's goal would be different.
Source: I am an audio engineer. Обсуждение на амер. форуме касалось данных статей:
https://www.soundonsound.com/sound-advic...nd-quality
http://www.prismsound.com/m_r_downloads/cdinvest.pdf
(Отредактировал 22-12-2018 в 15:38 malekcs.)
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